
Updates: New Zealand moves / Media interviews
Update: two new submissions (available at Committee submissions page #336)
- Clive Bates, Colin Mendelsohn. Do vapour products reduce or increase smoking? 19 October 2017
- Clive Bates memo to accompany appearance before the Committee, 19 October 2017
Introduction
I’m visiting Australia next week and looking forward to some good discussions with people holding any and all points of view on vaping, nicotine and smoking. My aim is to share experience from the US and UK where we are seeing encouraging uptake of low-risk vaping alongside an unusually rapid decline in smoking. Historically, UK has always had substantially higher levels of smoking than Australia, but in 2016 that gap has finally closed. Both countries have comprehensive tobacco policies – albeit with some differences in the details and Australia generally the first to do new measures, like plain packaging. But there is one major difference. UK (and especially England) now encourages smokers to switch to low-risk alternatives like vaping, while Australia actively prevents it and actually criminalises people who try to protect their own health in this way.
Five talking points inspired by the Royal College of Physicians
The case I want to make is that Australia is missing an opportunity, and there is a human cost for that in terms of cancer, heart and lung disease and premature death. I’ve structured my talking points around five of the key findings of the excellent April 2016 Royal College of Physicians (London) report: see Nicotine without smoke: tobacco harm reduction and press release. It was, of course, the RCP that first put the dangers of smoking on the public agenda with its groundbreaking 1962 report, Smoking and Health.
1. On the relative risks of vaping and smoking
Although it is not possible to precisely quantify the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure. (RCP Section 5.5 page 87)
People who smoke need to know that they have the option to switch to vaping and that doing this will radically reduce their risks. People involved in health care and policy need to know the same. But much of the public commentary on vaping is so confusing and fear-mongering that very few know they can take this route and benefit from it. The RCP stepped in to provide some clarity and has provided its own best estimate of relative risk based on what is known about these products – and this estimate is independent of other studies. Even though we can’t go fifty years into the future and look back at what happened, it doesn’t mean we know nothing about the risks. Vaping involves completely different chemical and physical processes, and the main harmful or potentially harmful agents in cigarette smoke are either not present or present at levels well below 5% of those found in cigarettes. Even if new harmful agents are found, it is much easier to remove them from e-liquids than from cigarette smoke. Note how carefully worded this is – it is steering the reader to the right ball-park, pointing out it is a cautious estimate, and not making a firm point-estimate prediction. I discuss these numbers in section 2 of my submission to Australia’s House inquiry into vapour technology.
2. On the idea that allowing e-cigarettes will somehow cause people to smoke
There are concerns that e-cigarettes will increase tobacco smoking by renormalising the act of smoking, acting as a gateway to smoking in young people, and being used for temporary, not permanent, abstinence from smoking. To date, there is no evidence that any of these processes is occurring to any significant degree in the UK. Rather, the available evidence to date indicates that e-cigarettes are being used almost exclusively as safer alternatives to smoked tobacco, by confirmed smokers who are trying to reduce harm to themselves or others from smoking, or to quit smoking completely. (RCP Key recommendations)
The finding is what a rational observer would expect – that people use much safer products to reduce the risk to their health and as a way of quitting smoking that works well for them by retaining some of what they like about smoking but getting rid of the almost all of the harm, the stigma and the costs. The rise of vaping in the UK and US has been accompanied by rapid falls in adult smoking, exceeding the rate of decline in Australia – despite Australia’s sharply increased tax and pioneering move on plain packaging. Those who think that the availability and marketing of vaping will somehow increase smoking should be pressed for evidence because it is their theory that is strange and counterintuitive, and the burden of proof should rest with those making this claim. I discuss the respective experience in section 1 of my submission to Australia’s House inquiry into vapour technology. There are no signs of a “gateway effect” anywhere – and the American experience is of rapidly declining teenage smoking coinciding with the rise in vaping, much of which is occasional and without nicotine. This is described in five charts here. Likewise, a 2017 analysis of UK survey data concluded:
In summary, surveys across the UK show a consistent pattern: most e-cigarette experimentation does not turn into regular use, and levels of regular use in young people who have never smoked remain very low.
It is quite possible that teenage vaping is diverting young people from smoking and perhaps ever starting, and could well be beneficial – and this would not be a surprising finding if verified.
3. On the potential for bad policies to cause additional harm
A risk-averse, precautionary approach to e-cigarette regulation can be proposed as a means of minimising the risk of avoidable harm, eg exposure to toxins in e-cigarette vapour, renormalisation, gateway progression to smoking, or other real or potential risks.
However, if this approach also makes e-cigarettes less easily accessible, less palatable or acceptable, more expensive, less consumer friendly or pharmacologically less effective, or inhibits innovation and development of new and improved products, then it causes harm by perpetuating smoking. Getting this balance right is difficult. (RCP Section 12.10 page 187)
For me, this is the best paragraph in the RCP’s report and one that should be held close by policymakers and politicians. This raises a kind of ‘policy double-negative’ that being tough on harm reduction ends up being easy on harm “by perpetuating smoking“. In my submission to Australia’s House inquiry into vapour technology, I summarised the range of possible unintended consequences from bad regulation in Appendix 3. Policy-makers can believe they are being ‘precautionary’ and risk-averse, but actually they are being ‘reckless’ by protecting the cigarette trade and discouraging smokers from quitting. This is perhaps the greatest concern in Australia – that nicotine is allowed onto the market as a consumer product only in a form “prepared and packed for smoking” – what is precautionary about that?. Vaping products, smokeless products and heated tobacco products – all likely to be 90-100% less risky than smoking are simply not not permitted. Why do that? Why grant a monopoly to cigarettes and deliberately prevent people using much less harmful products? There’s nothing precautionary about that.
4. On quitting smoking as a consumer behaviour
E-cigarettes are marketed as consumer products and are proving much more popular than NRT as a substitute and competitor for tobacco cigarettes.
E-cigarettes appear to be effective when used by smokers as an aid to quitting smoking. (RCP Key recommendations, original emphasis)
Vaping products are consumer products marketed as an alternative to smoking. They are not smoking cessation medications any more than diet soda is an anti-obesity drug and the manufacturers do not make therapeutic claims for these products. Most established smoking cessation products are not that effective, doing only a bit better than quitting ‘cold turkey’. But even the best smoking cessation product or technique is of no value if no-one wants to use it. The overall public health impact of any given approach is a function of both uptake and impact on the person’s health. Vaping works on both of these – by being attractive as an alternative to smoking and by mirroring many of the things that people want from smoking it is an effective low-risk substitute. In my submission to Australia’s House inquiry into vapour technology section 1.2, I pointed out we now have 1.5 million ex-smoker vapers in the UK. Coincidentally, the number of UK smokers fell by 1.5 million between 2014 and 2016 (from 9.7 to 8.2 million). Another 1.1 million people both smoke and vape – and many may be on a journey to quitting or substantially cutting down.
5. On the approach that public health policy-makers and agencies should take towards vaping
However, in the interests of public health it is important to promote the use of e-cigarettes, NRT and other non-tobacco nicotine products as widely as possible as a substitute for smoking in the UK. (RCP Key recommendations, original emphasis).
Professor John Britton, chair of the RCP’s Tobacco Advisory Group, said:
The growing use of electronic cigarettes as a substitute for tobacco smoking has been a topic of great controversy, with much speculation over their potential risks and benefits. This report lays to rest almost all of the concerns over these products, and concludes that, with sensible regulation, electronic cigarettes have the potential to make a major contribution towards preventing the premature death, disease and social inequalities in health that smoking currently causes in the UK. (Press release)
There it is: a strong recommendation from the Royal College of Physicians to embrace the concept of tobacco harm reduction as a public health policy. That is not an alternative to other tobacco policies – in fact it makes the traditional tobacco control policies more effective and less ethically challenging. For example, if the government raises cigarette taxes (as it is doing aggressively in Australia), it places a regressive burden on poor or otherwise disadvantaged smokers. If they have a low-cost, low-risk alternative to switch to, cigarette taxes may have the desired health effect by promoting switching and it could reduce the growth of the black market and related criminality and home grown ‘chop-chop’, now starting to take hold.
This message has been taken on in England and to some extent, the UK. I have gathered all the examples of where England/UK is taking a leadership role in this new phase of tobacco policy: Vaping and tobacco harm reduction – highlights from England.
Could Australia regain tobacco policy leadership?
When the facts change… Australia has always had a reputation for leadership in tobacco policy. But that may not be true now. Since 2010, a significant technology disruption has emerged and creates huge opportunities that could ultimately see the end of smoking – and with the consent of smokers rather than by taxing, coercing and stigmatising them into quitting. What an opportunity! The trouble is that the Australian public health establishment has so far decided to fight progress instead of embracing it. That could change quickly, as it did in the UK from 2014. It just needs a few leaders in the field to see the way ahead and to challenge the prevailing orthodoxy. This technology disruption did not exist until recently – the facts are changing:
“When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?”
Attributed, probably incorrectly, to the economist John Maynard Keynes.
UK does not have the optimum policy. If Australia moves from prohibition to regulation of vaping, it has one really big advantage over the UK. Australia can define the regulatory environment from scratch, and to do it right. The UK does not have the flexibility to do this, because it is bound by the EU Tobacco Products Directive – and this was made in a different time when less was known and the European Commission and governments, including the UK, wanted to regulate these products over-cautiously. That directive is an awful piece of legislation… see: what is wrong with the Tobacco Products Directive for vapour products, but we are stuck with it and probably even with ‘Brexit’.
But could Australia become the world leader…? There are really only four main strategies in tobacco control: promote cessation; prevent initiation; protect bystanders; and reduce harm to users. New technologies have made the harm-reduction strategy much more important and viable, but this is where Australia is now falling behind. In my submission to Australia’s House inquiry into vapour technology section 4, I gave my views on what a leading policy on vapour technology could look like. Taking advantage of more recent knowledge, Australia has a ‘second-mover’ advantage and could define the world’s best policy on tobacco harm reduction. Now that really would be leadership.
But don’t dither – the others are on the move: there’s a new approach at United States FDA, a major rethink in Canada and New Zealand is moving forward.
Update 16 Oct: New Zealand moves forward!
Minutes after the ink was dry on this post, New Zealand did indeed move forward, and boldly. The Ministry of Health published a new statement of policy on e-cigarettes, arguing that it could contribute to New Zealand’s bold “Smokefree 2025” ambition to reduce smoking prevalence to below 5% by 2025.
Here are the headlines from the policy statement.
Key Messages
- The best thing smokers can do for their health is to quit smoking for good
- E-cigarettes are intended for smokers only
- The Ministry believes e-cigarettes could disrupt inequities and contribute to Smokefree 2025
- The evidence on e-cigarettes indicates they carry much less risk than smoking cigarettes but are not risk free
- The Cochrane Review found that e-cigarettes can help people to quit smoking, but acknowledges that the evidence is weak due to little data
- Smokers who have tried other methods of quitting without success could be encouraged to try e-cigarettes to stop smoking. Stop smoking services should support smokers using e-cigarettes to quit
- There is no international evidence that e-cigarettes are undermining the long-term decline in cigarette smoking among adults and youth, and may in fact be contributing to it
- Despite some experimentation with e-cigarettes among never smokers, e-cigarettes are attracting very few people who have never smoked into regular e-cigarette use
- When used as intended, e-cigarettes pose no risk of nicotine poisoning to users, but e-liquids should be in child resistant packaging
- The Ministry of Health is identifying safety standards for e-cigarettes in New Zealand. In the meantime, vapers should buy their products from a reputable source like specialist retailers.
Come on, Australia… now’s the time. And many Australian health and medical professionals agree. See this October 2017 letter from 70 Australian experts calling for the National Health and Medical Research Council to develop evidence based guidelines. It is a powerful call to action and deserves to be heard.
Update… newspaper, radio & TV interviews
- Sydney Morning Herald – British e-cigarette advocate urges Australian government to lift ban and save lives
- Talking vaping policy with Gareth Parker on 6PR Radio Australia
- On ABC Radio National with Fran Kelly: Leading e-cigarette advocate says lifting Australia’s vaping ban could save lives
- Talking Lifestyle with Kayley Harris and Nick Bennett on The Daily Drive : Should we legalise nicotine in e-cigarettes?
- A great full-length discussion with Tasmania Talks host Brian Carlton: Making the case for e-cigarettes in Aus: leading UK advocate labels our policy ‘perplexing’
- 2GB – Nights with Michael McLaren – from1:32
- ABC Sydney On Wendy Harmer’s programme with Simon Marnie – Interview from 37 mins 25 Sec
- 3AW Mornings with Neil Mitchell interview
- 2CC Canberra radio with Chris Coleman: Should vaping and e-cigarettes be legal in Australia?
- 6PR with Chris Isley – Is Australia falling behind on tobacco policy? – great discussion about state of Australian public health (fun!)
- TV Studio 10 – great discussion with the morning team (Tweet)
[Note: my visit to Australia is privately funded and no competing interests arise]
There are still Swedish academics who insist snus is a gateway to smoking among adolescents: http://www.medfak.umu.se/english/about-the-faculty/news/newsdetailpage/snus-is-a-gateway-to-smoking-among-adolescents.cid245481
Don’t underestimate the powerful allure of the gateway theory.
Yes. But I think there is another way to use snus gateway theory.
Question. Do you believe that snus causes a gateway effect in Sweden?
Answer. Yes.
Reply. Thank you, that’s helpful. I can now fully discount everything you say. You are engaged in something, but it isn’t science or public health.
Thankyou Clive very much for coming to Australia and trying to help Vapers here
I am a retired nurse Age 64 with severe emphysema (diagnosed 7 years ago) from smoking for 41 years. I stopped coughing as soon as I started vaping 6 years ago. I feel so much better now I am vaping.
I live in Tasmania. Our Health department is changing our laws so that vaping will now be called smoking
Quote
“Smoke-free areas
Using an e-cigarette in existing smoke-free areas will be banned. This is often called vaping and will
be referred to as ‘smoking’ in the Act so the concept of ‘smoke-free areas’ does not need to change.”
Link
http://www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/238591/AA_RIS_for_e-cigs_Bill_Final.pdf
Link to amendment
http://www.parliament.tas.gov.au/bills/pdf/35_of_2017.pdf
Thanks Margaret – that sort of ‘policy by analogy’ or cut ‘n’ paste is really dangerous. By applying those restrictions so broadly to vaping they are in effect protecting cigarettes from competition and encouraging smoking.
So glad you are coming down under to add your voice to the few sensible folks in Oz that are enthusiastic about the potential of vape based THR to help current vapers avoid being on the wrong side of the law, and the smokers who would like a legal alternative!
Initially I was saying that I advocated primarily on behalf of the smokers who felt uncomfortable or were unable to buy nicotine over the internet, but recent moves by Australian states make this all the more pressing a problem for current e-cig users. E.G.:
– Queensland offering nicotine dob-in lines, acting to seize nicotine imports & have medical professionals report e-cig use, then handing that info. on to the ‘Quit Smoking’ people to harangue the e-cig user over the phone for an hour or more..
– The Health Department of Western Australia monitoring FB and raiding the homes of people involved with e-cigs, as well as the earlier action to legislate that vape gear is illegal for sale due to ‘looking like’ cigarettes.
– Victoria’s definition of the fines for nicotine possession to be in excess of $45,000 per ‘offence’.
– South Australia and Tasmania’s overly precautious regulations for vape shops..
I feel particularly privileged, living in NSW, to be threatened with fines of a ‘mere’ $9,000 for nicotine possession, in a state that shows no propensity for including vape in smoke free laws, with a police force that seems entirely unwilling to harass former smokers who use nicotine based THR. But my friends in other states could sure use some sensible intervention at a federal level.
The first and most important part of that intervention is to either remove (dilute) nicotine from schedule 7 of the national SUSMP (illegal for possession, sans permit) or include a specific provision in another schedule that allows for retail sale of nicotine. Then we can start work on turning the state laws around.
Some of this is just terrible – imagine punishing someone for doing what millions of Brits and Americans have done and feel good about with no harm to anyone else?
When I see things like that, I always take a look at the testimonies of vapers e.g UK on my site and US CASAA.
Then ask, why would you try that hard to prevent Australians from doing the same and then punish them harshly if they do? What kind of public health is that? Nothing I recognise.
Clive
in Victoria the fine for possession of a personal use quantity of cannabis is typicaly around $700 AD, its really hard to know what to say about potential fines in range of thousands to tens of thousands of $, for ‘possession of nicotine’.
You should pop over the ditch and visit us in NZ.
Ha! Would love to come NZ – and meet some old friends. Sadly, no time at all. Which is annoying!
Leave your science at home – it is frowned upon in Straya.
Accept that that physics, mathematics and biology all work quite differently to what you might have been taught – the ability to muster sheep would be an advantage.
Remind the Labor Party that their base is disproportionately punished by the tax regime – can they really afford that ?
Remind the Liberal Party that it wouldn’t hurt to have a good idea about now – Smoking 2.0 ?
Ignore One Nation / Associated Wack Jobs – everyone else does.
Whilst it would be strategically sound to get the Greens on board, they are allergic to logic and fact.
Nick Xenophon, the Liberal Democrats and the Sex Party (now called Reason) are worth a chat – Xenophon is mostly for Xenophon but has been known to whip up a useful if attendant amount of noise. Reason are, if not entirely sensible, the only Humanist party.
Sporting organisations would be useful but they are mostly gutless and won’t get behind anything until everyone is already there.
Good luck!
Thanks for the tips… I’m not going ‘political’ as it’s not really my place. I’ll talk calmly and respectfully with anyone who wants a discussion about the issues – the science, policy and ethics. I don’t pretend to have all the answers, but I do have some pretty good questions – and as always I expect to learn from hearing the views and concerns of others.
I remember you making the same arguments in 2013 during the debates regarding imposing medicinal regulation via the new Tobacco Products Directive.Despite the evidence and logic for your arguments,the ‘enlightened’ ones in UK TC still lobbied the members of the EU Parliament to introduce medregs.
Australia currently has medregs and,based on the behaviour of UK TC academics & advocates, is unlikely to give them up because of evidence and logic.Are there any other tactics we could try – that don’t involve a ban on cigs in return for acceptance of ecigs?
In the longer run, almost everyone is open to arguments and evidence – and many Australia experts already see the issues as set out above. It would only take one or two influential leaders to see the issue differently, and things could move rapidly (as they did in the UK, after they eventually saw the risks with mandatory medicines regulation).
Hope you get to hook up with Alex Wodak, Colin Mendehlson, Ron Borland, Coral Gartner while you are over here.
Take your survival kit with you Clive.
Remember Tobacco Control was a totalitarian experiment to see how far its ideology could spread in the petri dish of society. It has been very successful, but that doesn’t mean it is moral. Every regulation, every tax, every malicious action against smokers/vapers, is evil. It is the ‘model’ for the gradual reconstruction of the whole of society from freedom to chains. You can see its method at work, now, in many aspects of life and how you are made to think differently/change an attitude via political correctness. And how legislation is introduced as a result.
You are going into a savage land.
I think you are going to have to wear garlic around your neck!
Travel well.
I hope you report on the monsters you encounter.
Thank you for all the work that you did in Australia Clive. I have a little more hope that our politicians understand vaping and will see reason rather than ideology. It was an absolute pleasure meeting you whilst you were here. You are truely a scholar and a gentleman.